tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3651978387315931317.post902123193092877096..comments2023-10-05T09:33:20.194-07:00Comments on The Grumblin' Grognard: The Hobbit – Over Hill and Under HillMr Baronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07502432352346301026noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3651978387315931317.post-68331690153048168452009-05-25T17:13:03.232-07:002009-05-25T17:13:03.232-07:00Goblins as presented in The Hobbit have always bee...Goblins as presented in The Hobbit have always been an influence on my fantasy rpg games. They are sneaky, villainous and perhaps a tad bit humorous, although the humor is lost on them and purely unintentional. <br /><br />You do raise an excellent point with the swords, heroes often do not know what they have, but the enemies always know and have a deep seated hatred for these items. A very interesting aspect of the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3651978387315931317.post-65298371850934037042009-05-24T21:53:37.572-07:002009-05-24T21:53:37.572-07:00The quote is from the chapter "Lothlorien" in book...The quote is from the chapter "Lothlorien" in book II of the LoTR. After crossing the stream into the elven-kingdom, the fellowship spends the night up in the trees, the hobbits at the same felt as their elven-guides. A company of orcs comes out of Moria (and is later destroyed by the elves). As the elves leave to investigate Frodo asks "What's up?" the Elf answers "Yrch", "falling back to his own tongue". Frodo then draws Sting and its edges glow, confirming the presence of orcs.<br /><br />On the other hand, I think the list of fireworks in Bilbo's 111th birthday has both "orc-xxx" and "goblin-xxx" fireworks.<br /><br />I'll look both points up in the book and comment again.Liorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15563497907340566955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3651978387315931317.post-17465614874040694892009-05-24T05:19:25.786-07:002009-05-24T05:19:25.786-07:00Thanks for the note. I would be inclined to agree...Thanks for the note. I would be inclined to agree, if it were not for the line in chapter 7 where Gandalf states that the Grey Mountains are "...simply stiff with goblins, hobgoblins, and orcs."<br /><br />This implies that goblins and orcs are different, even if the difference is a very small one.<br /><br />I think of goblins (from a Middle Earth perspective) as smaller orcs. To your point, it is quite possible that hobbits are not familar with orcs, because they have only fought against goblins and wolves. I need to check on this last comment, but it would explain the usage of the terms orc & goblin.Mr Baronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07502432352346301026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3651978387315931317.post-38353005122194395472009-05-23T09:47:39.915-07:002009-05-23T09:47:39.915-07:00I've always taken "goblin" to be the word used by ...I've always taken "goblin" to be the word used by Hobbits, "orc" to be the one used by Men and Elves (<I>Yrch</I> is used by an Elf in Lothlorien, for example).Liorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15563497907340566955noreply@blogger.com